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So, I've been venting to [livejournal.com profile] natlyn for the last half hour about the utter impossibility of remaining sane after being buried alive for 1,874 years. So the only fix I can think of will now become my personal canon.

My personal canon? The Doctor finds out about Jack being buried alive: unburies him a week or so after he's buried, they adventure around space and time for a bit, and then reburies him in time for the 1901 Torchwood to dig him up, thus preserving the timeline.

Date: 2008-04-05 01:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] versaphile.livejournal.com
Yeah, that was really too much, even for Torchwood. *facepalm*

Date: 2008-04-05 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
The Doctor would rescue Jack from being buried alive for two millenia, right?

Date: 2008-04-05 01:55 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] versaphile.livejournal.com
He totally would. Unless Jack *wanted* to be buried.

Date: 2008-04-05 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
I'm thinking that even Jack doesn't hate himself that much. And honestly? Even if he did, would the Doctor really let him suffer like that? For that long?

Date: 2008-04-05 02:06 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] versaphile.livejournal.com
Of course not. As soon as he found out, he was down there with his shirtsleeves rolled up and a spade in hand.

Date: 2008-04-05 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
*is comforted*

Date: 2008-04-05 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-h.livejournal.com
Sadly at the time all I could think was : HEY! That's a great place for Jack/Doctor.

Date: 2008-04-05 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
Glad I'm not the only one. Too bad it doesn't work with Nine.

Date: 2008-04-05 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-h.livejournal.com
Where there's a will (and telepathy) there's a way. ;-)

Date: 2008-04-05 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
*smile* You can do anything in fic, huh?

Date: 2008-04-05 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-h.livejournal.com
You absolutely can.

I own, entirely, I'm probably the worst viewer in the world. I watch it, something sticks and the rest? It's all just toys for me to play with. So it's okay if some stuff sucks and makes me go 'abuh'. It's kinda fun trying to MAKE it.

Date: 2008-04-05 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
That sounds like a lot of fun, actually. Me? I worry the canon to death. Not as much fun.

Date: 2008-04-05 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-h.livejournal.com
I started this season doing that but then - well you saw the meltdown. ...I really hope I don't do that with DW now. *twitches a bit*

Date: 2008-04-05 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
I'm a bit cat-like with my canon. I need to worry it down until it's comfortable for me, then I relax and curl up.

Date: 2008-04-05 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-h.livejournal.com
That's a. Damn endearing image.

Date: 2008-04-05 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
*smiles* Yeah, sorry. Snuggly happens.

Date: 2008-04-05 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] becky-h.livejournal.com
Don't be sorry! You're awesome.

Date: 2008-04-05 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
*blushes* You are too.

Date: 2008-04-05 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] halfspokenwords.livejournal.com
I am trying to convince myself that John's ring contained some kind of cryo-stasis field as well as a tracking device.

Date: 2008-04-05 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
Ooooh, nice one. I'll take it!

Date: 2008-04-05 09:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vae
I LOVE that.

And I'm adopting it to take home and comfort Jack with. Because otherwise at some point my RP Jack is going to damn well break all over his younger self.

Date: 2008-04-05 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] halfspokenwords.livejournal.com
Adopt away. :) Although I must say, the stayed-dead theory below is also incredibly workable.

I have a RP Ianto who is currently an emotional wreck thanks to that ep, so I understand where you're coming from.

Date: 2008-04-05 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriam-heddy.livejournal.com
My take on it is that Jack's ability to remain sane is linked to his ability to remain alive (or to not remain dead), and it's tied to Jack's being a Christ-like figure in the narrative.

Jack's something more than human, and just as his body doesn't retain the violence or damage that should kill a normal human body, his mind doesn't retain the damage that would come from being underground for so long. He's just wiped clean somehow--so that he's always pure, always whole, always capable of absorbing the wounds of other people and absolving them of their pain.

He couldn't be a savior without that.

Date: 2008-04-05 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
I can see that interpretation, but I don't like it. I don't want Jack to be a savior. I want him human. Flawed and damaged and ... human.

Date: 2008-04-05 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asa-meda.livejournal.com
Actually (putting Highlander hat on a moment... adjusting... letting Methos take hole... there...)

My thought is that when Jack is in an environment that is not compatible to life (i.e. no Oxygen... crushing pressure... etc) he stays dead. So most of the 1800+ years was spent not knowing a thing)

NOW... here's my plot bunny for all... now that we know he's been in the drawer for 100 years or so (um... haven't seen ep yet... getting this from spoilers), in an environment where he could, from time to time, have some awareness, I wonder what he heard... if Gwen... Ianto... Owen... Tosh... even went to that quiet place to talk to themselves... Oooo... so much thought as to what could be done with this...

Ahem... sorry.. .but I think Jack was probably dead... dead.. for the time... Individual mileage may vary...

Date: 2008-04-05 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
Hmmm, I like the not-compatible-with-life theory. It works in the not-traumatizing-Jack-such-that-he-completely-loses-his-santiy way and it makes the episode work too. Well, except for why Jack's clothes didn't decay off him. *considers* And why I'm overusing dashes.


Date: 2008-04-05 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marzilla.livejournal.com
I like the staying dead theory, but I also really like the Doctor theory. I mean, that would make perfect sense. The Doctor's always bumming around Earth, so at some point the TARDIS is sure to pick up on that signal from the ring. And then the Doctor would be like, hm, that doesn't belong in 27 CE, let's take a look. And then he'd dig up Jack and be like, oh, I should've known it was you. If you wanted a date, you could've just called.

Date: 2008-04-05 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com
*giggles* Yes, exactly. And after all, Jack is the Doctor's responsibility. Is canon!

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