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taffimai ([personal profile] taffimai) wrote2007-12-24 07:00 pm

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This is my official, "it's xmas eve and I'm Jewish and bored" post. If you are also Jewish and bored, consider this your invitation to play in comments! (If you're not Jewish but still bored, you can have a Jew-for-the-day pass and come play too.)

Oh, and to all who are celebrating, have a wonderful holiday.

[identity profile] halfspokenwords.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
*steals Jew-for-a-day-pass* I'm atheist and bored; does that count? :)

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed it does! Here, have some gefilte fish and play!

I'm listening to JB singing "I Won't Send Roses" at the Jerry Herman Gala. Two immediate, related thoughts: 1) That boy can sing! 2) What the producers did to him on "Another Side" is criminal.

[identity profile] halfspokenwords.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! And having looked at your other comments, I wish I could have Chinese food tomorrow night! I have family doing a completely-secular-holiday-called-Christmas. I was just called away to assist in securing a string of plastic lights on a dead tree.

I know he can sing, and sing quite gorgeously, but I don't think I've heard that song. But I have heard the sample tracks from Another Side, and so I concur. Though I must admit that sometimes I go to youtube and listen to his "Your Song" and "You're So Vain" performances... guilty pleasure, yanno?

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
Chinese and a movie on xmas is Jewish tradition. Well, a Jewish-and-not-living-in-Israel tradition. Those are the only two things open! You should totally blow of your family and tell them that you're Jewish for the day.

I've heard him sing some gorgeous stuff, but this is perfection. Absolutely wonderful. As for "Another Side," I think it's perfectly valid as a guilty pleasure, but such a shame that a talent like John's has been regulated to that status.

[identity profile] halfspokenwords.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
I should! ... but I won't, sadly. Next year we'll probably see the new Star Trek movie on Christmas day, though, so that's close?

You're right. And really, I'm not sure if it's the song choices or the various production decisions. It's just that much worse because there must be countless pop songs that could do justice to his voice.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
That will work. I'm a little scared by how awful the new Trek movie could be.

Honestly, I think the song choices were poor, the arrangements were bland, and it was post-productioned to hell and back, but it comes down to two things in my mind:

1) I'm not convinced John is a studio performer. Everything he's done that I've loved has been in front of an audience. I think they might do better doing a live album with him.

2) Despite what he might think, John is not a machine. Expecting him to do a quality album when he's squeezing recording sessions in an hour at a time while coming from one commitment and going to an other is not going to result in a product that anyone will be proud of.

[identity profile] halfspokenwords.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, me too. I've been terrified since they announced it was a prequel. ...Well, actually, I've been terrified since I watched Enterprise Nemesis came out.

Ooh, a live album could be awesome. His other albums are rather lovely, though, and they were studio, weren't they?

That is also a good point. He is all over the place, and I get tired just reading about it. Those interviews that have him seeming unhappy about Torchwood filming schedules have me concerned for just this reason. He must be exhausted.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
It's a scary, scary world for trek fen, isn't it?

Honestly, I don't like his other albums that much. Swings Cole Porter is nice, but the others feel bland to me. Especially when compared to his live performances.

Yeah, reading those interviews was very much a "oh fuck" moment for me, because it means that one of the following is true:

a) John's trying to negotiate for TW S3 and wants all the leverage he can get.
b) John's decided not to do TW S3 and is easing it into the public consciousness.
c) John's just that tired.
d) Any combination of the above.

I have no problem with option a, and I'd be sad if option b were true because I love John in Torchwood, but what worries me is option c. Because if he's that tired wrapping up Torchwood and coming off his album publicity, I hate to think what two shows a day in Panto is going to do to him.

[identity profile] halfspokenwords.livejournal.com 2007-12-27 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
It is. And to think, there were days when the biggest problem for Trek fen was that they were going to kill of Jadzia.

Swings Cole Porter was the one I was thinking of, honestly. XD And some of Reflections from Broadway. There's something about John singing 'Try to Remember'... (Of course, that may be because when I saw The Fantasticks in NYC, the Mute reminded me of Ianto something terrible.)

That man really just needs to stop for a while. I think all of his projects would improve, too. But I really just hope it's option a.

[identity profile] halfspokenwords.livejournal.com 2007-12-27 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, THANK YOU. :) You know what for. I finally have a chance to download it, and can't wait.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-27 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
You're welcome! Will you let me know what you think?

[identity profile] stlscape.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not convinced John is a studio performer.

I agreed with you until I got the Just So CD. This is a studio album, and apparently John was recording his part by himself. Admittedly, it's a musical and not just a collection of songs, and he's playing a (musical) part and not just singing a collection of unrelated songs, but I like it very much.

For the most part, I agree with your comments on Another Side. Leaving aside the post-processing that was done with a steamroller as well as the elevator-music arrangements, I definitely prefer his voice when he's singing as if he's doing a performance and not as if he's singing to someone in the same room (and trying not to blast them out). I'm not so sure it was the poor song choices so much as how he chose to present them. IMHO, his voice is much better when he's supporting with his diaphram. (And I definitely think that his "I've got 15 minutes free now, so let's record something" schedule was a factor in the mix.) I had intended to give the album to a friend at Christmas, to introduce her to JB, but after hearing it decided against that idea.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
I think he could do studio work with the right team around him and someone to manage him (I think some of the arrangements resulted from them giving John too much creative control.) I mean, "Swings Cole Porter" wasn't bad. But I don't think it comes as easily to him as performing in front of a crowd.

Yeah, I'd recommend "Swings Cole Porter" for your friend, if you want to give her a JB album. If you just want to introduce her to JB, the Jerry Herman Gala was fabulous.

[identity profile] stlscape.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Swings is probably the album I'll use. I think it'll keep her attention long enough to listen all the way though once, and that'll be enough to hook her. I'm not sure she'd listen all the way through the JH Gala. (She lives 12 hours away, so I need something that'll work long distance on a busy person that doesn't spend a lot of personal time on her PC.)

From what I've heard/read/seen in videos, I agree that an audience makes a definite difference. And, yes, I also think allowing him a bit less control (or a far more constructively critical beta audience) would result in a (IMHO) better end product. I'm hoping that with this album, he'll have gotten the whole "another side" out of his system and that his next albums will be closer to what we're used to hearing him sound like.

[identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Have you seen JB's appearance at the Kennedy Center (I think)? It's on YouTube in four parts, and it's wonderful.

[identity profile] stlscape.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
It's also available in one piece at the Kennedy Center site, here: http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/millennium/artist_detail.cfm?artist_id=JOHNBARROW

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yep! Saw it a while back! He's so cute. "Fools Rush In" was utterly adorable.

[identity profile] littlepeanut918.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
im bored! and im a jew!

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! Doing the traditional Chinese food and a movie tomorrow?

[identity profile] littlepeanut918.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
having hoagies and watching Tin Man on scifi with Joey tonight, tomorrow i think im doing laundry

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Tin Man is awful but fun. I think my experience watching it can be summed up in two words: Monkey Boobs!
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[identity profile] cjmarlowe.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
I'm hoping "at work and bored" counts too. :D We're thinking about putting a movie on and ordering pizza, but maybe we'll save that for tomorrow when it'll be even more boring.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Absolutely counts! So what are you up to these days?
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[identity profile] cjmarlowe.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Work mostly. :D And end-of-the-year writing. And contemplating painting the new apartment, but that one I somehow seem to keep putting off....

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
End of the year writing? Ficathons or pro stuff?

Painting is scary. I have the hardest time committing to a color, and when I finally find one I like the roommate inevitably vetoes it. One time we compromised and managed to end up with something that I realized I couldn't stand as soon as it dried. But entropy is powerful, so it's still there.
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[identity profile] cjmarlowe.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:15 am (UTC)(link)
My roommate was all "pick whatever, it'll be fine", so I am. :D Or I will be, once I get around to it. I couldn't face the stores this week.

End of the year writing is almost exclusively ficathons at this point. :) Everything else that wasn't work-related went on the back burner till the new year.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
Either my roommate is more high maintenance than yours, or is just more vested in the choice, since she owns the condo. Still, it's my room! Ah well.

Ah, well, good luck on the ficathons. Sparkly boys?
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[identity profile] cjmarlowe.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
All yuletide, all the time, this year!

My roommate also does dishes, which is always nice. :D I haven't lived with anyone for six years. It's a bit of an adjustment.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
I've been living with C for two and a half years now, and we're fairly comfortable with each other by now. But she doesn't do my dishes!

Good luck with yuletideness.
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[identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
I was bored. And then I went home and there were bad craft shows and worse reality shows, and lots of knitting.

I'm still Jewish, though. :)

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Hee! Okay, well, still-Jewish is good. *sends love*

[identity profile] yasminke.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
I'm Jewish, bored and can't do Chinese food for TWO DAYS! Everything, emphasis on the *every* is closed until the 27th. It sucks.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Oh no! How can they deprive you of Chinese food on xmas?? It's your right as a Jew! Poor thing.

[identity profile] yasminke.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
I know, I know. However, that's a thought. I wonder if the Eastern Suburbs (more Jews there) is shut down. Hmmmm. Still, that would mean Israeli food, not Chinese.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm, Israeli food is good. But NOT a substitute for Chinese on xmas. You should boycott.

[identity profile] yasminke.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Sigh -- it'll have to be tomorrow. Public holiday today -- everything is closed. (Plus, I already make Israeli food, so where's the fun in eating what I can make?) 8(

[identity profile] gnomi.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a Jew, and while not so bored -- we did a museum and two movies today and plan to do a movie and Chinese food tomorrow -- I *am* tired of cliched Christmas music that's playing everywhere.

[identity profile] taffimai.livejournal.com 2007-12-25 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
God me too! They had it on a boom box in the middle of the Whole Foods a while back and it took a major effort not to just turn it off.