You know, it's amazing how little affection the Eastern European Jews I know have for their "homelands." Might have something to do with the hatred, the progroms, the ghettos, and let's not forget the camps. Was conquering Israel a "nice" thing? No, of course not. I never said it was. But considering the need for a place of refuge in the face of repeated attempted genocides it was a matter of survival and I absolutely support it.

My point above: There was no such thing as a self-governing Palestinian state before, so this hasn't changed because of the creation of the state of Israel.