taffimai

Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking.

The WORD Palestinian didn't even exist until Arafat coined it in order to incite bloodshed. Were there people living in the place we now call Israel? Yes. Were they self-governing? No. Did they have the right to vote? No. Were they encouraged to stay and assist in building the land for the betterment of all? Yes. Did they choose to do that? No. Instead, they declared war on Israel and ALL JEWS the very minute the state left British rule.

So you know. I have a hard time with liberal guilt and manipulated history when it's used to support people whose entire agenda is to kill everyone like me. Which is pretty much why I don't give a flying fart what you or your father in law think of Israel.

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There's an awful joke in here about eating meat versus eating manmeat, but I'm not going to make it.

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fridge-buzz-now.livejournal.com

I felt it, too. As long as we both acknowledge the moment, nothing has to be said, hahaha.

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Absolutely!

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There's a Zionism post coming on, C.

There really really is.

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Don't buy "stuff". Buy some history books. Seriously, no sarcasm intended.

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chopchica.livejournal.com

Not to mention the part where they were each offered half of the country and the Jews said yes and the Arabs said no.

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Of course they said no. They WANT US ALL DEAD. But that isn't anti-semitic!

I hate people today.

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Fair enough.

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Okay, that's interesting. I thought the Palestinians were considered Arabs.

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Do you have any books you'd recommend on the subject, for the next time I find myself in a library?

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I think you just did. :p

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They are. Doesn't mean that they are treated well by other Arabs.

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Oy vey.

Is there any particular reason for this, or is just more people being fucks?

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This is what I bought my ex when she expressed an interest in learning more.

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Sure.

Give me a bit and I'll get a list for you.

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Did not!

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Honestly, I've never explored the whys and wherefores.

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It's probably just people being fucks then.

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mofic.livejournal.com

They are Arabs. That's kind of the point. The Jewish state took in Jews from all countries and helped them make a life in Israel. The Arab nations have kept the Palestinian Arabs in substandard conditions and never made them part of their countries.

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hellenebright.livejournal.com

As I believe it was Douglas Adams who once postulated "The last thing you need is a sense of perspective."

I'm not in favour of killing anyone, but really, the area now occupied by the modern state of Israel has a long history between the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 and the start of the British Protectorate, and the fact that it was under an imposed external governance at the time really does not make it all go away. After all, I believe the citizens of what is now the United States were in that position once, but were considerably opposed to the idea that their Lords and Masters (and King George III) had the right to dictate their fate.

Having said all that, the modern state of Israel isn't going to go away any time soon, and calls for its removal from the Earth really are not any kind of appropriate response.

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There was no such thing as a self-governing Palestinian state before

There was no such thing as a self governing United States of America before the War of Independence. Did this make it right when the Superpowers of the day diced the country up between them?

You know, it's amazing how little affection the Eastern European Jews I know have for their "homelands."

I worded that badly. I meant that the Eastern European Jews must once - maybe 50 generations back or more - have come from the middle east. They didn't arise by prostelytisation, they're not converts, so if you go back far enough their ancestors must once have known Judea.

I don't believe Eastern European Jews anywhere (even Manchester) have much of a hankering for their old places of residence. We have a TV programme where well known people research their ancestry, and they've done a couple of people whose family fled from that area. In both cases, it was virtually never talked about in the family. Too many bad memories.

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hellenebright.livejournal.com

That was me...system didn't log me on.

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hellenebright.livejournal.com

So why don't we get a homeland for the Roma? A country for the gays? They got treated pretty badly as well, and they're still getting treated badly in some places. Don't know where we'd send the gays and lesbians, but the Roma come from North India.

The British tried that solution twice - once to create modern Israel and once to create modern India. In neither case did it "work", ie produce a peaceful and harmonious solution. However in both cases the entities so created are realities that are not going to go away, so any solution has to work with what we've got.

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