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[taffimai]

Hey, look! It's a why-there-is-not-as-much-f/f-as-there-is-m/m discussion that managed to stay civil. Well, it almost managed to stay civil. But that one slip from civility was made up for by the award winner for Funniest Thing Said to Taffy 2005:

"Well...don't you ever want to read about women? Like, not necessarily in a sexual way, but is the only reason you want to read about men is their hot hot cock?"

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[cjmarlowe.livejournal.com]

Ahahahaha! Beautiful.

And while I'm reluctant to jump into the middle of a conversation in a stranger's journal, I will note that the specific percentages being discussed don't seem to allow for the not-insignificant amount of gen that's written for Yuletide. (And I don't think I'm giving too much away when I note that I wrote female-centric gen this year.)

[taffimai.livejournal.com]

I didn't know enough about yuletide to challenge the numbers, but that's good to know.

And, yeah, I was amused too. Though if it goes much further, I may need you to write me a Certified Lesbian letter.

[cjmarlowe.livejournal.com]

Hee! Yes, I think I'm qualified to do that.

[taffimai.livejournal.com]

*kisses you for old times' sake*

[cjmarlowe.livejournal.com]

*smooch*

[kindkit.livejournal.com]

Oh, heavens, That Discussion again.

Well, I just looked at the numbers for Secret Slasha, and by my count there were 21 f/f stories and 35 m/m ones. Or, according to my trusty calculator, 37.5 percent girlslash. Which, while hardly total equality, is not marginalization and exile either.

I'd never say that fandom does not have Issues About Gender. We still live in a relatively patriarchal society--of course we have issues about gender. But I'm also really sick of simplistic claims that preferring boyslash = misogyny.

Aaaand I'm getting on the verge of incivility myself, so I'll stop now. ;-)

[taffimai.livejournal.com]

You know what, you're right, it's the simplification of the situation that's the most annoying thing about those arguments.

Well, that and the implication that I like cock.

[janedavitt.livejournal.com]

How did I know before I even clicked where I'd end up? ;-)

I've read and written f/f, but not much and not often. Enjoyed what I came across but it doesn't do for me what m/m slash does when it comes to fic.

Which, as I've mentioned before, is slightly weird as I fantasise more using f/f or het but there you go.

From that to the implication/accusation that that makes people like me scared of lesbians or hating them is an awe-inspiringly huge leap of illogic.

And rather rude.

You rock for staying calm and friendly and funny.

[taffimai.livejournal.com]

You know, as much as I think that orientation has a lot to do with fic preferences, I don't think it's necessarily a one-to-one relationship.

Personally, I have trouble reading f/f because so much of it is written by men who are writing about the characters so they can envision the hot actresses going at it, and characterization and emotions tend to go AWOL. I just don't find that hot. So I've learned to get my fix from female characters by reading the characters I love in het, gen, and lesbian original fiction.

If there was an archive of women-written f/f, I'd be much more likely to read it.

And no worries, we all know that you're lesbian-friendly. *snuggles*

[janedavitt.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's necessarily a one-to-one relationship.

I don't think it is either. What triggers responses to anything, from a preference to grapefruit juice over orange to liking m/m better than f/f or the reverse, is hard to define, and sexual responses, whether innate or conditioned are off the scale messy and complicated. Which is why they're fun to discuss, I guess.

I've found that I prefer erotica written by women myself; on LJ most of it is, so that doesn't get tested much, but I was on a group where most of the Buffy writers were male and their f/f and het was... not for me. None of them wrote m/m.

::snuggles you back::